Why all the deleted topics?
Sujet : Why all the deleted topics?
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Message n° 1
Baron a écritle 22 novembre 2008 à 19:36
I notice a lot of deleted topics on the boards here...
Perhaps this has somehting to do with the total misappropriation of Nietzsche in the past and the ongoing misinterpretation of him by contemporary audiences?
Or maybe just ads? lol!
Anyone care to clarify for my benefit?
Perhaps this has somehting to do with the total misappropriation of Nietzsche in the past and the ongoing misinterpretation of him by contemporary audiences?
Or maybe just ads? lol!
Anyone care to clarify for my benefit?

Message n° 2
Friedrich Nietzsche a écritle 24 novembre 2008 à 11:44
No topics were deleted. Or maybe it's not under my juridiction. Anyway, Facebook is not the only place where you can speak about his works, his thoughts, his opinions etc : Whole life is a debate.

Message n° 3
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Baron a écritle 24 novembre 2008 à 19:09
Maybe self deletion then...?
Hm.
Thanks Fred!
Hm.
Thanks Fred!
Message supprimé le 26 novembre 2008 à 00:59

Message n° 5
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Baron a répondu à : message de Mikele 26 novembre 2008 à 05:33
So, topics were deleted due to decorum issues. Hm.. I still wonder at the root cause of that (genealogy?)
As for the Fred\Fried thing, I was just using a slang term in a joking sense... however, now that I think about it, I actually like "Fried" better. (as in fried, wacky, zany, burnt etc.)
As for the Fred\Fried thing, I was just using a slang term in a joking sense... however, now that I think about it, I actually like "Fried" better. (as in fried, wacky, zany, burnt etc.)
Message supprimé le 26 novembre 2008 à 10:27

Message n° 7
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Baron a répondu à : message de Mikele 27 novembre 2008 à 06:00
Just the whole issue of Nietzshe being appropriated to Nazi-ism. That's probably not so evident nodays (since editors like Kaufman have done good work in presenting his works without the addendum's of his sister).
But, those kind of academic misperceptions sometimes run deep. The word "Nietzsche" is a pocket of meaning into which people have stuffed a lot of different concepts. Different people still have different political and cultural alliances which might assosciate him with anti-semitism, etc. And since this is the internet, people will often express those misperceptions without regard for decorum.
But, those kind of academic misperceptions sometimes run deep. The word "Nietzsche" is a pocket of meaning into which people have stuffed a lot of different concepts. Different people still have different political and cultural alliances which might assosciate him with anti-semitism, etc. And since this is the internet, people will often express those misperceptions without regard for decorum.
Message supprimé le 27 novembre 2008 à 10:47

Message n° 9
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Charlie a écritle 29 novembre 2008 à 14:33
If you stare into the deleted post, you may find that the deleted post is staring back at you!
Message supprimé le 30 novembre 2008 à 00:55

Message n° 11
Doowan a écritle 30 novembre 2008 à 17:52
The Nazis made use of Nietzsche's philosophy, but did so selectively; this association with National Socialism caused Nietzsche's reputation to suffer following World War II.
Even by virtue of my descent, I am granted an eye beyond all merely local, merely nationally conditioned perspectives; it is not difficult for me to be a "good European." On the other hand, I am perhaps more German than present-day Germans, mere citizens of the German Reich, could possibly be—I, the last anti-political German. And yet my ancestors were Polish noblemen: I have many racial instincts in my body from that source—who knows? [...] When I consider how often I am addressed as a Pole when I travel, even by Poles themselves, and how rarely I am taken for a German, it might seem that I have been merely externally sprinkled with what is German
from http://en.wikipedia.org/wi ki/Nietzche
Even by virtue of my descent, I am granted an eye beyond all merely local, merely nationally conditioned perspectives; it is not difficult for me to be a "good European." On the other hand, I am perhaps more German than present-day Germans, mere citizens of the German Reich, could possibly be—I, the last anti-political German. And yet my ancestors were Polish noblemen: I have many racial instincts in my body from that source—who knows? [...] When I consider how often I am addressed as a Pole when I travel, even by Poles themselves, and how rarely I am taken for a German, it might seem that I have been merely externally sprinkled with what is German
from http://en.wikipedia.org/wi

Message n° 12
Doowan a écritle 30 novembre 2008 à 18:00
That's why some people call his book, Thus Spoke Zarathustra...Nietzsche's dangerous book.I can see he's Atheist,but not racist.Well..but many people and my friends told that he influenced the idea of racism.idk

Message n° 13
Doowan a écritle 30 novembre 2008 à 18:02
i hope i don't get trouble this time..School always check on my facebook lol
Message supprimé le 1 décembre 2008 à 01:08

Message n° 15
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Lance a écritle 30 décembre 2008 à 08:57
I've never got the whole Nietzsche/Nazi thing, I mean he hated socialism and German nationalism; hence a bit hard to base a national socialist party on his works. Also how can you justify the need to kill an "inferior race" if your argument comes from a man who does not not believe in morality.
Message supprimé le 1 janvier 2009 à 16:29

Message n° 17
Jacob a écritle 8 janvier 2009 à 08:41
As much as I'd hate to say misinterpreted, because of the nature of literature, and its beautiful ambiguities, the whole Nietzsche and Nazi connection is pretty far out there. I don't believe that the ubermensch was meant to be interpreted as any sort of specific race/religion whatever, but as a goal for mankind in general. Nietzsche would be rolling in his grave if he knew he were being compared with the Nazis.

Message n° 18
Ronnie a écritle 14 janvier 2009 à 03:05
he spoke out against nationalism and also expressed his admiration for the legacy of 'the muhammedeans' as i think he called them

Message n° 19
Aaron a écritle 18 janvier 2009 à 23:18
I was always told that the ubermensche idea was taken to be a super-race of people and the Nazi's used phrenology to say that aryan was the greatest and blacks, jews, and asians were inferior. They thought that they would make a thicker and stronger race of people if they got rid of the "lessors," like selective breading. It's sort of like how Freud was taken a bit too far with the libido thing in the 1920's.

Message n° 20
Surazeus a écritle 31 janvier 2009 à 11:24
The Ubermensch concept is based on a pun in German.
Nietzsche said that the ubermensch, the over-man, is he who uberkommen or overcomes his weaknesses during a difficult situations.
This is related to the concept of 'kung fu' which means discipline or excellence of self. Martial arts in Chinese is the word wu shu and not kung fu.
His idea of the ubermensch was based on personal discipline, striving to be the best you can be, and had nothing to do with racial superiority or inferiority. It is not hard however, to see Darwinian ideas of evolution, coming from this ubermensch idea.
One who overcomes his weaknesses and survives and has children and passes on personal moral values based on what helped him survive to his children will eventually evolve to a higher level, because those who are not able to overcome and die out do not have descendants.
This is also part of Nietzsche's idea of morality, that different societies develop a set of moral values based on their historical tribulations. What helped them survive during a period of national trauma, becomes set as rules and laws that govern future generations, who then get annoyed at their parent's pontifications and rebel.
A man who overcomes obstacles and weaknesses and develops a set of moral values and guides his tribe and society through a difficult period becomes an ubermensch, which is the ancient concept of the Messiah.
The man who slew the messeh dragon, then the bride anoints his body with the dragon oil, and he because the provider of food, feeding 5000 with one giant whale of a fish. He wears the fish mouth as a hat and this becomes the pope's hat of the fisher kings.
Nietzsche said that the ubermensch, the over-man, is he who uberkommen or overcomes his weaknesses during a difficult situations.
This is related to the concept of 'kung fu' which means discipline or excellence of self. Martial arts in Chinese is the word wu shu and not kung fu.
His idea of the ubermensch was based on personal discipline, striving to be the best you can be, and had nothing to do with racial superiority or inferiority. It is not hard however, to see Darwinian ideas of evolution, coming from this ubermensch idea.
One who overcomes his weaknesses and survives and has children and passes on personal moral values based on what helped him survive to his children will eventually evolve to a higher level, because those who are not able to overcome and die out do not have descendants.
This is also part of Nietzsche's idea of morality, that different societies develop a set of moral values based on their historical tribulations. What helped them survive during a period of national trauma, becomes set as rules and laws that govern future generations, who then get annoyed at their parent's pontifications and rebel.
A man who overcomes obstacles and weaknesses and develops a set of moral values and guides his tribe and society through a difficult period becomes an ubermensch, which is the ancient concept of the Messiah.
The man who slew the messeh dragon, then the bride anoints his body with the dragon oil, and he because the provider of food, feeding 5000 with one giant whale of a fish. He wears the fish mouth as a hat and this becomes the pope's hat of the fisher kings.

Message n° 21
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Raymond a répondu à : message de le 3 février 2009 à 16:46
Amen Jamie, I love how religious fundamentalists are replaced in the modern era by philosophical fundamentalists. That said, I still love much of his writings.
Message supprimé le 3 février 2009 à 18:34

Message n° 23
Raymond a répondu à : message de le 3 février 2009 à 20:58
I think one of the best books on that contradiction is "Denial of Death" by Ernest Becker. He has comments on Nietzsche and a number of other greats. "Death" for Becker is both concrete death and also death as the symbol of a purported meaninglessness, which if it is the case, makes figuring everything out a seemingly moot point.
My thesis is that a person can have a great time at life no matter whether it makes any sense or not. And no matter whether one accomplishes any sand castles or not.
My thesis is that a person can have a great time at life no matter whether it makes any sense or not. And no matter whether one accomplishes any sand castles or not.

Message n° 24
Marco a écritle 4 février 2009 à 13:22
i bet u didnt =)

Message n° 25
Rafael a écritle 4 avril 2009 à 13:09
It looks like we're in the search of a big mustache, don't waste any more your time, you know where to go...
Message supprimé le 22 septembre 2009 à 16:31

Message n° 27
Rafael a écritle 22 septembre 2009 à 23:00
Sure, but I have to say your blog sucks!

Message n° 28
Raymond a écritle 23 septembre 2009 à 05:29
Thanks FreeJay, but I am way too old for your blog. Best of luck to you.

Message n° 29
Rukiye a écritle 22 octobre 2009 à 12:40

Message n° 30
Raymond a écritle 22 octobre 2009 à 13:03
I like your line about the "sudden midnight." The pictures are very good. The one with the umbrella is gorgeous.

